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Podcast: PARP inhibitors alone or in combination with novel hormonal agents in prostate cancer

Podcast: PARP inhibitors alone or in combination with novel hormonal agents in prostate cancer

A series of three podcasts from GU oncology experts

A series of three podcasts from GU oncology experts

Dr Neal Shore, Dr Elena Castro, Prof. Neeraj Agarwal, Assoc. Prof. Tanya Dorff

In this podcast series, GU oncologists discuss PARP inhibitors for prostate cancer, given alone or in combination with novel hormonal agents (NHAs).

Listen to episodes 1 and 2 below to hear Dr Elena Castro and Dr Neal Shore share their views and discuss the clinical implementation of PARP inhibitor monotherapy for prostate cancer patients and PARP inhibitors and NHA combination therapy for patients with mCRPC. 

Prof. Neeraj Agarwal and Assoc. Prof. Tanya Dorff continue the conversation in episode 3 and will cover the latest data from ASCO GU 2023 (coming soon).

After listening to all three podcasts, you'll know how to:

  • Recognise the efficacy and safety profiles of PARP inhibitors and know their differences, understand their place in the treatment landscape for patients with mCRPC - for monotherapy and combination therapy
  • Understand the data of combination studies with PARP inhibitors and NHAs in mCRPC, the rationale and mechanism of action of the combination, the appropriate implementation of and the impact on clinical practice
  • Understand the role of testing for assessment of HRRm status and subsequent decision-making for treatment with PARP inhibitors as monotherapy or in combination with NHAs

 

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Portrait of Neal Shore
Dr Neal Shore

Urologist

Carolina Urologic Research Center and GenesisCare

United States (US)

Portrait of Elena Castro
Dr Elena Castro

Medical Oncologist

Hospital 12 Octubre

Spain

Image of Neeraj Agarwal
Prof. Neeraj Agarwal

Medical Oncologist

University of Utah Huntsman Cancer Institute

United States (US)

Portrait of Tanya Dorff
Assoc. Prof. Tanya Dorff

Medical Oncologist

City of Hope Comprehensive Cancer Center

United States (US)

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Episode 1: Clinical implementation of PARPi monotherapy for prostate cancer patients – a US and EU perspective

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Episode 1: Clinical implementation of PARPi monotherapy for prostate cancer patients – a US and EU perspective

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Welcome and thank you for listening to this podcast from COR2ED independent medical education.  In this episode, you will hear from internationally renowned experts Dr Elena Castro and Dr Neal Shore how they implement PARP inhibitor monotherapy in clinical practice for their prostate cancer patients. They discuss whether all PARP inhibitors are the same or different, when to initiate a PARP inhibitor as well as the relevance of genetic testing and various gene alterations on treatment decisions.

This podcast is an initiative of COR2ED and developed by GU CONNECT, which is a group of international experts working in the field of GU Oncology.  The podcast is supported by an independent educational grant from AstraZeneca. The views expressed are the personal opinions of the experts and they do not necessarily represent the views of the experts' organisations, or the rest of the GU CONNECT group. For experts disclosures on any conflict of interest please visit the COR2ED website. Now with that being said let’s get started.

Neal Shore

Hi everyone and welcome to our first broadcast in our series covering PARP inhibitors for prostate cancer. Today we're going to discuss the clinical implementation of PARP inhibitors as monotherapy for prostate cancer patients.

I'm Neal Shore. I'm the Chief Medical Officer for urology and surgical oncology with GenesisCare in the U.S. and the Director of Carolina Urologic Research Center. I’m really happy and delighted to be joined today by my good friend and colleague Dr Elena Castro and I’ll let Elena introduce herself. Thank you.

Elena Castro

Hi, Neal. It's a pleasure to be here with you today. I'm Elena Castro. I'm a medical oncologist at Hospital Universitario 12 de Octubre in Madrid, Spain. I treat mostly patients with advanced prostate cancer and my research is focused in prostate cancer and cancer genetics.

Neal Shore

Fantastic. Well, why are we talking about PARP inhibitors? Well, clearly, with patients with prostate cancer, we've had great progress over the last decade and a half. It wasn't until 2004 that we had our first mechanism of action in taxanes. And now if you fast forward from 2004 to 2023, we now actually have seven distinct novel mechanisms of action to offer patients with prostate cancer. And what we're going to talk about today is PARP inhibitors and PARP inhibitor in terms of a monotherapy for our patients with resistant disease, have now been available for nearly three years. We have two approved treatments that really were approved almost within 48 hours of each other by FDA. And that is olaparib, which was based on data from the global phase three trial known as PROFOUND as well as rucaparib from a very significant phase two study known as the TRITON-2, and that received an accelerated approval in the US.

The PROFOUND trial led to both FDA and EMA, a level one evidence approval, for patients with resistant disease. There are some nuance differences regarding the product information indications in Europe and in the US, so for example olaparib in US is approved for patients with mCRPC and homologous recombinant repair mutations who have progressed on either enzalutamide or abiraterone acetate. Classically, what we refer to as androgen receptor targeted agents or antigen receptor blockers or novel hormonal agents. In the EU, olaparib is indicated for monotherapy for patients who are only have the BRCA mutation, so B2/B1 who've also progressed on a novel hormonal agent or an ARTA as we sometimes call it.

In the US there are 14 gene alterations within the family of HRR that have FDA approval. So, there's a distinctive difference.

Now rucaparib is a US only approved based upon the TRITON-2. We're going to talk about the TRITON-3 today in a second and have Elena address that. It has an accelerated approval based upon the TRITON-2 phase two study and it's approved for BRCA mutated patients only. So B2/B1 who've progressed on an AR directed therapy and a taxane. So that makes it also, its inclusion for approval a little bit more involved than the olaparib indication.

So, we have now seen a lot of excitement, the TRITON-3 data that was presented at the Prostate Cancer Foundation this fall, 2022, this is the confirmatory phase three trial for rucaparib. And so I think that's was really exciting. I think we're going to hear some additional data coming forward at GU ASCO as well. So maybe... let me stop here, Elena, and ask you to comment on TRITON-3 and how that may further inform our colleagues, but also anything you want to comment as well on the PROFOUND trial and the olaparib approval.

Elena Castro

As you said, there is a difference in the approval of olaparib by FDA and by the EMA, basically based on perhaps lack of enough evidence to treat patients with alterations other than BRCA1 and BRCA2 because these alterations are less frequent. So, the number of patients that were included in PROFOUND was smaller than for BRCA, and it isn't clear at this time whether these patients may also

benefit from treatment with PARP inhibitors. This is why I think it's so relevant, TRITON-3 and other trials that will help us understand the real predictive value of other alterations, not only BRCA1 and BRCA2.

And the TRITON-3 is a phase three randomised trial that included only patients with alterations in BRCA1, BRCA2 and ATM. These were mCRPC patients who had already progressed to treatment with an hormonal agent, abiraterone or enzalutamide. And these patients were randomised to receive either rucaparib or the physician's choice that could include docetaxel or the hormonal agent that they have not received previously, so either abiraterone or enzalutamide.

So, this is the first time that a PARP inhibitor has been compared with docetaxel and I think it is very relevant because what we see is 50% reduction in radiographic progression-free survival for patients with BRCA alterations with rucaparib compared to the physician's choice and for patients with ATM alterations, the benefit is only 5%.

So, I think this is very important because in PROFOUND, to be eligible patients had to have progressed only to a hormonal agent, most of them, about 65% of them, had also received a taxane before entering the trial. So, the TRITON-3 trial tells us that perhaps for patients with BRCA alterations, it will be better to treat with rucaparib rather than waiting until they progress to treatment with a taxane. So early treatment for these patients may really improve their outcomes. Of course, we still don't have overall survival data, but the difference in rPFS is really significant for these patients.

What I don't know is whether this benefit that we observe with rucaparib could also be extrapolated to other PARP inhibitors. I don't know. Neal, what do you think?

Neal Shore

Yeah, that's a great question and gets asked so often. And one of the challenges is the low prevalence of some of the 14 HRR mutations that we see listed by the product information in the US for the approval of olaparib. I think that of those 14, originally 15 in the PROFOUND trial but 14 were accepted, we have had, at least I have had anecdotally, and I think many of our colleagues, some very good responses with PALB2, the RAD51 subsets, certainly ATM, as was noted in the TRITON-3 here and even to some degree also in PROFOUND, the CDK12, CHEK2.

Some of the alterations, they're not high in prevalence, but we don't always see great responses. You know, that said, and I'm a big proponent of using taxanes, docetaxel and cabazitaxel, but overall there's always something more appealing I think for many clinicians and certainly for patients when they can have an oral option as opposed to going to a parenteral option. And again, I think taxanes by and large have become better managed. I think that even though we do see grade 3/4 toxicities, they can be very well managed and clearly effective therapies.

So that is a little bit of a conundrum right now, I think, in terms of the product information acceptability in Europe versus the US. I'm curious what you think about that, Elena, for the patients who are, for example, the RAD51’s, the PALB2’s. But then also there's clinical trials that we're working on for ATM selectivity, there's some IO or pembrolizumab data supporting the use of it in CDK12. I wonder how you think about that?

Elena Castro

Well, with regards to the predictive value of some of the HRR alterations, I think for ATM we have now enough evidence suggesting that a PARP inhibitor in monotherapy perhaps is not the best option for these patients, as a group it is true, as you mentioned, that some individuals seem to benefit from this and we need to understand better which is the type of ATM alteration that is associated with a benefit from a PARP inhibitor but it doesn't seem to be an ATM mutation as could be the case for BRCA2 for instance. For PALB2, these are infrequent alterations, rare alterations and we are slowly getting data from different series and trials and it seems that these patients may benefit significantly from PARP inhibitors. For other, less frequent alterations, still we have to wait. But as you say, there are some of these alterations that seem really to predict a benefit from PARP inhibitors.

Neal Shore

Yeah, I totally agree, and the ATM of all those 14 gene alterations after BRCA2 and CDK12, it actually has a high prevalence and I think it's a big unmet need. One of the things I'm curious about Elena and maybe you can weigh in on this, is patient comes to you and their BRCA alteration, whether it's 1 or 2, maybe there's a difference in your mind thought, accessibility is not an issue, they're mCRPC. And now they either didn't tolerate or they progressed after abi (abiraterone) or enza (enzalutamide), and assuming you have rucaparib at your disposal, it's approved and you have olaparib and you could use docetaxel. How do you frame that for patients? How do you have that discussion with them in the clinic?

Elena Castro

Well, for patients with BRCA alterations, particularly for BRCA2, I will say that we have the possibility of using a therapy that seems to work particularly well in patients with this type of alteration. Well, of course, we still need to wait until we have the approval for patients who have received chemotherapy, for rucaparib. But I will say that it seems that with the data of TRITON-3 study, patients with these type of alterations may get better outcomes when treated with a PARP inhibitor as soon as possible.

It is an oral medication, of course, but we still need to monitor the blood counts carefully because it is still has some toxicities that we may be able to prevent or to manage. And we are aware that eventually the tumour may become resistant to this treatment and we still may have to use chemotherapy in a later stage. For a BRCA patient I would like to try a PARP inhibitor as soon as possible.

Neal Shore

Yeah, I fully agree with that. I think what we're going to see fairly soon based upon the TRITON3 data, prior TRITON2, but of course the excellent data from PROFOUND, if you have the luxury or what's sometimes called an embarrassment of riches, you have the opportunity to choose amongst two approved, who knows maybe with time we'll have even three and four different PARP inhibitors approved based upon some additional studies. Many of our colleagues are probably wondering, are all PARP inhibitors the same? And particularly, do you think we'll start to delineate differences in subtle differences or even more significant differences in toxicity? Clearly the myelosuppression, you have to check a CBC monthly for patients on a PARP inhibitor.

Will there be differences in terms of that myelosuppression? Variances between RBC, WBC, platelet counts and then maybe Elena, you can also comment on that first part question and then also on any GI side effects?

Elena Castro

Yes, the most frequent side effects are anaemia and with some of them thrombocytopenia has been more frequently observed with talazoparib than with other agents. And gastrointestinal toxicity, mostly nausea up to about 15-20% of patients can refer grade 2, up to grade 1/grade 2 nausea. There is not a big difference between PARP inhibitors in terms of toxicities. In all the trials these have been quite consistent with the different agents. We don't have any trial with a direct comparison of the different agents, so we don't know whether there is a different efficacy when we use these agents in monotherapy. What we know from pre-clinical trials and early trials is that it is true that the potency of the agents is different and it may be important, whether due to toxicities or other issues, we may have to reduce the dose to improve tolerability with a PARP inhibitor. So yes, there may be some differences between agents.

Neal Shore

Yeah, I agree with all of that. And maybe just in closing, and I know it's a big topic to cover and you've done an amazing amount of work on this. It's just the whole notion still around testing. When should our uro-oncology colleagues, our medical oncology colleagues be testing our patients with prostate cancer? Maybe just some top-line views regarding the use of germline and somatic testing. And somatic, of course, has the nuances of tissue versus, you know, liquid-based testing.

Elena Castro

Yes, the alterations in BRCA1 and BRCA2 seems to be early events that are already present in the primary tumour. So, we could detect it from diagnosis. But from a practical point of view, just to test in those patients that will be eligible for a PARP inhibitor. Also taking into consideration that the test may take some time, that we may have to repeat the test or acquire a new tumour sample.

I will say that a good idea will be to start considering testing when the patient is progressing to the previous hormonal agent. For instance, when the PSA starts to go up. That will allow us to liaise with all the struggles of testing. For the purpose of a PARP inhibitor, I will test the tumour or I will proceed with circulating DNA analysis, a plasma analysis. And because in prostate cancer, HRR alterations are more prevalent in the tumour than they are in the germline.

If we do identify an HRR alteration in the tumour, then we should proceed with germline testing to exclude that that alteration is indeed germline. With this procedure, we may only miss about 7% of the germline alterations. There are some germline alterations that we may not be able to detect in the tumour. So, my advice is that if you have a patient that for whatever reason you suspect that could be a germline carrier, because of their family history, because of the presentation of the disease, and you do not identify anything in the tumour. It doesn't matter, refer the patients for germline testing.

The reason why we do germline testing is to identify families who may be at risk of not only prostate cancer, but also other types, other cancer types. So, yes, it is important to take into consideration both aspects. The possibility of a targeted therapy and also the possibility of early detection of cancer or even prevention.

Neal Shore

Well, that was great. That was really well said and super, super important for all of our colleagues who treat patients with advanced prostate cancer to understand that the absolute key indication to get both germline testing when it's appropriate, almost virtually universal now for patients with advanced prostate cancer, even localised prostate cancer with significant family histories. And then the somatic based or the tumour-based testing, as you say, there's tissue, there's liquid-based ways to optimise. And why it's so important, because now we have novel mechanism of action in the form of a PARP inhibitor to complement taxanes, to complement our androgen receptor targeted agents, to complement radiopharmaceuticals and other immunotherapies. So very, very important. I think you summarised that as expertly as you always do.

So with that, Elena, thank you so much. It's been a great pleasure to work with you on this podcast.

Elena Castro

Thank you, Neal. See you in our next podcast.

We hope you found this podcast informative and enjoyable.  If you liked this episode, you should look on the COR2ED channel for more! In particular, look out for another podcast with experts Dr Castro and Dr Shore, where they discuss how combination therapy of PARP inhibitors and novel hormonal agents could be implemented into their clinical practice for prostate cancer patients. Make sure to listen to that one too.

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Episode 2 Clinical implementation of PARPi and NHA combination therapy for patients with mCRPC – a US and EU perspective

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Episode 2: Clinical implementation of PARPi and NHA combination therapy for patients with mCRPC – a US and EU perspective

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Welcome and thank you for listening to this podcast from COR2ED Independent Medical Education. In this episode, you will hear from internationally renowned experts, Dr. Elena Castro and Dr. Neal Shore, when they discuss how combination therapy of PARP inhibitors and novel hormonal agents could be implemented into their clinical practice for prostate cancer patients. They discuss which patients to consider for the combination treatment, how to manage hormonal sequencing and other practical considerations.

This podcast is an initiative of COR2ED and developed by GU CONNECT, which is a group of international experts working in the field of GU Oncology. The podcast is supported by an independent educational grant from AstraZeneca. The views expressed are the personal opinions of the experts and they do not necessarily represent the views of the experts' organisations or the rest of the GU CONNECT Group. For experts disclosures on any conflict of interest please visit the COR2ED website. Now, with that being said, let's get started.

Neal Shore
Hello everyone and welcome to our second podcast in our series covering PARP inhibitors for prostate cancer. Today we're going to discuss the clinical implementation of PARP inhibitors in combination with novel hormonal agents for prostate cancer patients. It's a pleasure to be here. I'm Neal Shore. I'm a uro-oncologist. I'm the Chief Medical Officer of urology and surgical oncology at GenesisCare in the U.S. and the medical director of Carolina Urologic Research Center. It's a great pleasure and privilege for me to be joined today again with my dear friend and colleague, Dr. Elena Castro. Elena, would you please introduce yourself?

Elena Castro
Hi, Neal. It is my pleasure to be here with you. I'm a medical oncologist at Hospital Universitario 12 de Octubre in Madrid, Spain, and I treat mostly patients with advanced prostate cancer. And my research is focused in this field and in cancer genetics and I'm delighted to be here discussing with you PARP inhibitors in combination as this is a very hot topic.

Neal Shore
Yeah. Thank you so much, Elena. You know, in our first podcast, we just talked about the use of monotherapy PARP inhibitors, olaparib and rucaparib for our mCRPC population.

You know, it's great to have this opportunity to talk about combinations. But really now exciting data has been presented and published at major congresses. The PROPEL Data, which looked at an all-comers population for mCRPC first line therapy, abiraterone and olaparib versus a control of abiraterone demonstrated a benefit of combining olaparib and abiraterone in an all-comers population. It's really great to see that the EMA and CHMP have had a positive recommendation for the data that was presented in PROPEL. So, the data for PROPEL is in front of FDA now as well.

And then we also have the MAGNITUDE trial, which is a little bit more of a complicated trial, but nonetheless looked at combining niraparib PARP inhibitor with abiraterone versus abiraterone and also saw positive efficacy in the biomarker positive population. A particularly more significant hazard ratio for the patients who were BRCA alteration positive, both BRCA1 and BRCA2. So, there were some nuanced differences in the trial design as well as some of the inclusion criteria, which I think we'll want to talk about.

And most recently, we now have a correlative trial, the TALAPRO-2 which looked at talazoparib and enzalutamide as opposed to abiraterone in an all-comers population and the public statement press release at the end of 2022 has clearly stated that it's a successful trial and we eagerly await the results which will be presented in plenary presentation at ASCO GU 2023. So, I think that's really super exciting to see that data set.

And so now we have two trials where we have combination of an androgen receptor targeted agent, abi (abiraterone), enza (enzalutamide), with olaparib and talazoparib respectively, showing benefit certainly from an rPFS standpoint in an all-comers population. So, this is super exciting.

It leads to a lot of questions. Are these combinations equally well-tolerated? Are the efficacy end points comparable? Are they similar in terms of monitoring? What about some of the overall tolerability and safety issues? Some of these are really interesting areas of debate. And then ultimately, how do we most importantly think about using combination of two therapies with different novel mechanisms of action? Why would they necessarily lead to a benefit in allcomers population within the construct of lessening resistance to the androgen receptor for patients who would normally develop resistance by adding a PARP inhibitor and then likewise, how to create further PARP sensitivity to patients who would not necessarily have at baseline an HRR alteration.

So, a lot right there to unpack. I think it's fantastic to have you weigh in and give your thoughts on this Elena, you've spent so much time reviewing these trials.

Elena Castro
Yes, there is a lot of data and that generates a lot of questions actually. The first is, as you just mentioned, whether it would be the same to have androgen receptor targeting agent that inhibits the production of androgens. Whether these would be comparable in these combinations to an agent that inhibits directly the androgen receptor, whether this synergy that is created with a PARP inhibitor could be different if we are discussing different, not mechanisms of action but somehow these are different molecules with different mechanisms of action and perhaps the effect is different.

The second thing is that the PARP inhibitors are not the same and the PARP inhibitors were used, some of them, at the regular dose whilst others were used at a reduced dose because otherwise they will be not well tolerated. And perhaps this reduction in the PARP inhibitor also causes a decrease in the effect in this synergy. And this could be behind the differences that are being observed between MAGNITUDE for instance and PROPEL and TALAPRO-2 with regards to patients without HRR alterations, that in MAGNITUDE no benefit was noted and then that cohort of patients was not allowed to continue with the combination. And in PROPEL and TALAPRO-2, the benefit seems to be observed in all patients with and without alteration.

That said, the analysis of the PROPEL data presented at ESMO this year reported a clear difference in the benefit in rPFS, because this is the only data that has been presented so far, a clear difference between patients with BRCA alterations in which there it was a very clear benefit in rPFS with a hazard ratio around 0.2 with the benefit noted in patients with other HRR alterations, including also the BRCA but the HRR group that was around 0.5 hazard ratio and in patients without any alterations in which their hazard ratio was almost 0.8.

So, it's a very different benefit I would like to see how that translates in an overall survival benefit because if we are affecting the biology of the tumour somehow, will that result in a later alteration of the biology? Will that affect the response to further treatments, and will that have an impact in the survival of these patients? We don't know yet.

With regards to side effects, there's not overlapping toxicity between the hormonal agents and the PARP inhibitors, but the PARP inhibitors per se are associated with anaemia and nausea, and I think it will be acceptable for patients in which we expect a great benefit. But perhaps for patients who may benefit less, this is a discussion that we will clearly have to have with our patients, whether they will accept the toxicity from the combination.

So, I think there is still a lot that we need to learn from these trials, but it poses very interesting questions.

Neal Shore
Yeah, I fully agree. It seems to be remarkable data at least we saw early on in PROPEL that's been presented. Eagerly await the breakdown of the BRCA patients versus the other HRR alterations versus the non-HRR. As you point out, the hazard ratios are positive, but there are differentials. We certainly look forward to seeing the long-term or the more advanced analysis of survival data.

I completely agree with you that there is some additional toxicity whenever you combine, but I think it'll be very, very manageable. There may be some differences in terms of the frequency of taking pills. For example, I believe tala (talazoparib) is QD as opposed to BID, and of course enza (enzalutamide) is QD as opposed to abiraterone, which requires prednisone BID and there are some differences.

And obviously so the safety and tolerability well known to either abi (abiraterone) versus enza (enzalutamide) and additionally, there may be some nuanced differences amongst the PARP inhibitors regarding impact of their myelosuppression, perhaps on platelet count versus anaemia. Some of our colleagues may see some differences in even some of the GI toxicities, but a big advance in terms of having an opportunity to offer a patient who wants to have a very proactive approach towards treating their biology, as you say, with a complementary mechanism of action approach by adding a PARP to an AR and so there's this ongoing debate as to, you know, the combination and why it should have benefit in patients who don't have HRR mutation, whether it by tissue or by blood based testing.

You know, Elena, I'm curious. You know, one of the things that gets brought up is, okay, well, if it's beneficial in all-comers and EMA just gave a positive recommendation for a combination of olaparib and abiraterone, its pending FDA approval, what do you tell a clinician who says, well, if I'm going to use it in first-line mCRPC combination, do I still need to test? Do I still need to get genetic sequencing?

Elena Castro
I personally think that we will need that data because that will help us to inform the patient better and to inform the patient about the chances of responding to this combination. As we just mentioned, the probability or the efficacy of the combination depends on whether the patient has a BRCA alteration or other HRR alterations or no HRR alterations so I think it would be useful.

I also agree that testing is sometimes a struggle so if we have this combination approved, in many cases it would be difficult to test and we will still have the opportunity of using the combination without testing. But if you have the opportunity, I think we should continue to test.

Neal Shore
What about this one? Here's a tricky one. I think you and I both agree on this, but I think our audience wants to hear this. So, I present with low or high volume mHSPC, and, you know, maybe I was initiated on couplet therapy with an ADT and an ARTA or even maybe I had triplet therapy, ADT, doce (docetaxel) and an ARTA and now I need treatment for my first line mCRPC. And I'm on ADT and abi (abiraterone) or ADT and enza (enzalutamide) and let's assume there's in a theoretical world we have approval of combination tala (talazoparib) and enza (enzalutamide) or abi (abiraterone) and olaparib.

What are your thoughts now on just maintaining the abi (abiraterone) or the enza (enzalutamide) for this mHSPC patient who now requires first-line mCRPC therapy? Would you just add olaparib or talazoparib respectively, for the patient who was on abi (abiraterone) or enza (enzalutamide)? Or do we need more trial data to look at that?

Elena Castro
Oh, definitely we need more data. We need more information because we know that once patients have become resistant to one hormonal agent, the probability of responding to a second one are very small. What we don't know at present is whether the addition of the PARP inhibitor may help to further silence the androgen receptor pathway, and that could really improve the chances of responding to the switch in the hormonal agents or even we don't really know whether we would need to change from one ARTA to a second one or whether we could continue with the same one and just add the PARP inhibitor on top of them.

With respect to that, I think it will be different if the patient is progressing just by PSA than if the patient is also progressing with radiographic and new lesions. So perhaps in that situation, the addition of the PARP inhibitor, if the patient doesn't have any HRR alteration, will not result in a benefit. But as you said, we need more data.

Neal Shore
I completely agree. Maybe just another opportunity for you to give your thoughts. It's more of a theoretical, a biologic construct regarding why the combination of an ARTA and a PARP inhibitor would be of value in an all-comer population, particularly in the patients who don't have germline or somatic HRR mutation. Do you think it's an enhancement or a lessening of AR resistance or more so, an enhancement of PARPness or BRCAness, as some have called it?

Elena Castro
I don't know of course. The truth is that there is a crosstalk, there is a very clear correlation between the androgen receptor pathway and the DNA repair pathway. And PARP also promotes the expression of AR dependent genes and at the same time androgen deprivation causes overexpression of PARP. So, I don't really know whether one of the two mechanisms will be more predominant than the other one. What do you think?

Neal Shore
Yeah, I think it's an area that's hotly debated. Maybe there are some other mutational alterations that we're not even fully aware of. So, I think it's super exciting. I think we've addressed previously the importance, it's still important to test, but then now we have an opportunity, especially in our patients who are BRCA positive. I mean the hazard ratio in combination is just remarkable. The rPFS is remarkable and I'm sure the OS will eventually be correlative to that.

As you said earlier too, there are some clear differences in tolerability and side effects and some of the monitoring nuances.

Neal Shore
So, thank you and really great pleasure to speak with you on this topic. And it's really great for our colleagues across the globe, and I mean for patients, having an opportunity to delay progression of disease, ideally to have survival benefit. And even though we're combining therapies and there's always a risk of a little bit more toxicity, the toxicity I think is going to be manageable. And for our patients who are fit and accessibility is not an issue, cost will hopefully not be too much of an issue, we can do better for our patients in the clinic. The ultimate goal.

So, thanks again Elena for being with me today. It was a great pleasure.

Elena Castro
Thank you, Neal. It was great.

We hope you found this podcast informative and enjoyable. If you like this episode, you should look on the COR2ED channel for more. In particular, look out for another podcast with these experts, Dr Castro and Dr Shore, where they discuss how they implement PARP inhibitor monotherapy in clinical practice for their prostate cancer patients. Make sure to listen to that one too.

Also, don't forget to rate this episode on the COR2ED website and share our podcasts on social media or maybe with your colleagues. Thanks for listening and see you next time.

This educational programme is supported by an Independent Medical Education Grant from AstraZeneca

GU CONNECT is an initiative of COR2ED, supported by an Independent Educational Grant from AstraZeneca, Bayer and Eisai Europe Limited.

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